tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post993252314099342301..comments2023-04-26T04:51:53.840-10:00Comments on Good Horsekeeping: Ulcers in horseswingedwolfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07003909824626362902noreply@blogger.comBlogger231125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-31877328461801933042016-12-15T15:27:40.856-10:002016-12-15T15:27:40.856-10:00Since you are giving her slippery elm, it may not ...Since you are giving her slippery elm, it may not be necessary to keep giving her the Gastrefate. I believe it is derived from elm but has other undesirable ingredients like saccharin which is known to cause cancer. Get the lecithin and oat bran, stick to the aloe and slippery elm, stop the beet pulp. It can cause colic. Keep on hand a product called Equine Gut Flush. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HRGVW48/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1<br />It works very fast in a mild colic, you won't need the banamine. You will need to use the whole bottle by squirting it into her mouth. wingedwolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07003909824626362902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-22708986067918494642016-12-15T10:58:18.426-10:002016-12-15T10:58:18.426-10:00Hello, I'm currently trying to help my little ...Hello, I'm currently trying to help my little mare with what I believe is hindgut ulcers. She is getting 2 oz of aloe 3 times a day mixed with slippery elm powder. I syringe this into her. She is also on an RX called Gastrefate which I think is fairly new as I don't see it mentioned much in any of the sites. She is on 24/7 turnout with grass hay offered at all times. She does not like the soaked alfalfa cubes but will eat soaked beet pulp. I offer that twice a day. I plan on picking up some lecithin and oat bran. I am wondering what to do for her if/when she colics. They tend to be mild, lays down no rolling. I've resorted to Banamine subq but really hate to do this. Do you have any suggestions? Thank you so much! KellyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-42838296382469470172016-11-10T16:14:02.182-10:002016-11-10T16:14:02.182-10:00Try the marshmallow, aloe, flaxseed oil, apple pec...Try the marshmallow, aloe, flaxseed oil, apple pectin and lecithin. Be sure to give at least 1/2 cup of lecithin twice a day if your horse is 15H and bigger. For smaller then cut that dose to 1/4 cup twice a day. If it is hind gut ulcers, you should see some improvement with that combination. <br /><br />Not necessary to use oat bran. To answer your question about it, from experience, I have never seen it cause any problems at all, in fact just the opposite, it really helps. The amount given is only half a cup so it is not so much that it could cause a problem. Yes it would be the same for whole oats. <br /><br />I would not recommend ranitidine. It has too many side effects. wingedwolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07003909824626362902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-30590489614825272012016-11-10T03:01:39.430-10:002016-11-10T03:01:39.430-10:00Hi, thanks for the article.
I'm concerned abo...Hi, thanks for the article.<br /><br />I'm concerned about my horse who had tough winter for a variety of reasons and lost a large amount of weight. I managed to put this on successfully and rather quickly once he was in a good environment and happy. However during this time i'm worried that he developed ulcers however the only symptom he's showing is his discomfort when his girth is being tightened and now has started to anticipate the pain whenever he sees a roller or saddle. He also reacts to pressure on his flanks which i'm worried could be hind gut ulcers. He's lost no weight, shows no reluctance to eat, has a very nice and shiny coat, and has good droppings. His diet consists of:<br />- ad lib hay<br />- natural unmolassed chaff<br />- Alfalfa feed <br />- haycobs<br />Im going to start to change his diet to supplement his gut and stomach health, wanted advice on what you think would be good to add or take out off his current diet. Was thinking to add marshmallow Aloe vera and cold pressed flaxseed oil, apple pectin and lecithin. Was also considering giving him ranitidine to see if there is any improvement after many people i have talked to said it helped their horses with hind gut ulcers? I have also read a few articles claiming that oat bran/ flour is full of starch and can actually make any problem present in the hind gut worse, would this be the same for whole oats? thanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-90515088866562532872016-07-05T16:29:28.238-10:002016-07-05T16:29:28.238-10:002 ounces twice a day will work. Yes half a cup eq...2 ounces twice a day will work. Yes half a cup equals 4 ounces. So if you feed 2 ounces twice a day you are feeding a total of 4 ounces daily. Your mare may need more if you are not seeing much change. You can feed as much as 4 ounces or half a cup twice a day. You may get better results if you feed the half cup or 4 ounces at one feeding since splitting it may not be significant enough for her. wingedwolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07003909824626362902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-55961087188700249942016-07-04T23:47:16.478-10:002016-07-04T23:47:16.478-10:00Hi great advice thanks so much, I'm just wonde...Hi great advice thanks so much, I'm just wondering about the measurements for the 1/2 cup oat bran - I'm in Ireland and measure a half cup of oat bran to be 2 ounces, I just want to check is this enough to be feeding twice a day? Are American half cups equal to 4 ounces? Just want to make sure I'm feeding enough to make a difference for my mare's hind gut health. Many thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-68124383910150972072016-06-28T15:26:12.932-10:002016-06-28T15:26:12.932-10:00I'm so happy to hear everyone is doing so well...I'm so happy to hear everyone is doing so well. About the alfalfa. It can be too rich for Easy and can make his feet sore. If you have no other option then to feed straight alfalfa then increase the amount of the grass pellets and give a little less alfalfa than you were giving with the grass. Stick with the Standlee timothy grass pellets. <br /><br />You can cut back the flax seed oil to an 1/8 cup. Sounds like you have a good system now. I'm glad it is working for them. wingedwolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07003909824626362902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-19069895209658389602016-06-27T08:30:44.687-10:002016-06-27T08:30:44.687-10:00MY oh my! We have not communicated since 1010/15 ...MY oh my! We have not communicated since 1010/15 because my OTTB Easy has been doing great on your diet suggestions. NO colic, good weight (now...more on that) and happy and handsome.<br /><br />You might remember he is a companion horse, not being ridden because of chips in both front ankles from racing. No pain and he can be ridden someday if I get around to it...per the vets, walk/trot only. He is outside 24/7 with access to his stall in nasty weather.<br /><br />A couple questions: I might be able to get ONLY quality alfalfa hay in NM with year as the grass prices are sky high and pre-ordered and sold and very scarce. Is alfalfa OK for Easy? I transitioned him over from the 2015 grass hay to a grass/alfalfa mix in case straight alfalfa would be OK, per you. If I transition to alfalfa hay should I use timothy or grass hay Standlee pellets to mix his oat bran mash into, rather than the alfalfa/timothy pellets I use now? (Less alfalfa in his diet that way...)<br /><br />Secondly: I started Easy and his two mini companions on restricted free choice (Freedom Feeders) mid October 2015 and at first it was exciting. I kept waiting for a balance to be met, feeding 24/7 and by May 2016 had to call it quits. I had spent an extra $1000 on hay and everyone, particularly the minis were VERY heavy. Unhealthy heavy. Now I continue to weigh the minis on our walk-on scale, weight tape Easy and feed 2% of their weight in hay, split into three meals a day. A month later they look much better and are still happy horses.<br /><br />I am still feeding the Platinum Performance Healthy Weight flax seed oil, 1/4 cup a day. He looks great, shiny...may I cut back to 1/8 cup a day to save some money? (He certainly doesn't need to gain weight.)<br /><br />I will continue with the 1/4 cup of aloe vera juice daily.<br /><br />I will continue the BioMos and YeaSacc daily as I have since mid-September 2015.<br /><br />I continue the psyllium one week out of the month. <br /><br />How do you think "we're" doing? Thanks again for all your help. It is fantastic to know that diet can do so many things....no ulcer meds for Easy! Just good food and the right amounts of it!Sandy ~~~https://www.blogger.com/profile/00438655230858362703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-36458391732595670412016-04-18T17:33:13.589-10:002016-04-18T17:33:13.589-10:00My post on squirting the fecal liquid is on Friday...My post on squirting the fecal liquid is on Friday, March 11, 2016wingedwolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07003909824626362902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-36356566795702185602016-04-18T17:28:11.900-10:002016-04-18T17:28:11.900-10:00She may have hind gut ulcers but if you try oat br...She may have hind gut ulcers but if you try oat bran and lecithin and there is no change then chances are that is not the issue. Peppermint will help alleviate gas and discomfort so give her that as well. Stop the Buckeye Gro N Win. It could be causing an allergic response due to the wheat and soy in it. <br /><br />It may be her electrolyte balance that is off or other mineral imbalances causing the problem. Read my post titled "Does your Horse Squirt Brown Fecal Liquid http://goodhorsekeeping.blogspot.com/2016/03/does-your-horse-squirt-brown-fecal.html<br /><br />You can give her electrolytes and see if that helps, but the most effective way to determine which of her minerals is out of balance is to get a hair analysis done. I would recommend using Depaolo equine http://www.depaoloequineconcepts.com/pages/horse-hair-analysis<br /><br />I also have a post explaining the importance of the hair analysis. Sometimes just a basic electrolyte does the trick, but not for all horses. There could be a heavy metal toxicity also that is interfering with her absorption. Getting the minerals in balance can make a world of difference. <br /><br />What you describe sounds very similar to one of my horses. Once I started him on the custom mineral blend, within 3 days all of the squirts stopped. It has not returned yet. He is still on the custom blend. I was having to clean his legs every day sometimes twice a day. He is a different horse now, even his attitude. You may be pleasantly surprised at the results. <br /><br />wingedwolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07003909824626362902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-86670150461024113082016-04-18T16:52:12.257-10:002016-04-18T16:52:12.257-10:00Thanks for letting me know. No they did not have ...Thanks for letting me know. No they did not have my permission to use it, but I will consider it a compliment and perhaps those horse owners who don't see my blog will see that article and it will help them. <br />wingedwolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07003909824626362902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-68492432285425790042016-04-18T09:08:35.377-10:002016-04-18T09:08:35.377-10:00I have a 20 yr old Morab mare who has had chronic ...I have a 20 yr old Morab mare who has had chronic "watery gas" discharge, and occasional diarrhea for about four years, I have owned her for about 6 months. She is very sensitive around her butt, I'm assuming the discharge makes her uncomfortable. It is very messy and her backside is always covered in "poo" down her hocks. She is somewhat grumpy, mostly to other horses and her reflection, she is also cinchy and nips when I am around her chest. Her neck seems very sensitive as well, and her hooves are dry/cracked. When ridden she tends to pin her ears when asked to move forward. <br />I am wondering if she has hindgut ulcers possibly. I have tried different probiotics with no luck. I tried a weeks sample of Platinum Performance that my vet gave me, and the barn owner and lady that leased my horse were convinced it helped... I'm not certain as I don't know why it would, but will give it a shot if it would help. I'm not sure if that could replace her ration balancer as well, it doesn't really say if it is a complete multivitamin supplement. Smiles (my horse) is currently just eating mixed alfalfa/grass hay and her serving of Buckeye Gro N Win ration balancer. I had considered trying EquiShure by KER. I wish I knew what was causing her digestive issues so I knew exactly how to treat it. I am curious if your recommendation of oat bran, lecithin, peppermint leaves(dry?) and dried cabbage might be good for her? Other suggestions? Thanks!Nicolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10830227578246454511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-22227439550568073122016-04-18T08:01:06.008-10:002016-04-18T08:01:06.008-10:00I found your article being used on a different sit...I found your article being used on a different site, not sure if they had your permission. <br />http://horse-trailering.com/horsetrailering-horse-trailers-for-sales/tag/oat-bran/Nicolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10830227578246454511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-67538717791134603432016-04-13T12:19:42.281-10:002016-04-13T12:19:42.281-10:00I'm happy to hear that he does not have bar sh...I'm happy to hear that he does not have bar shoes on. Sounds like you have a good farrier.<br /><br />What you can give him in place of the bute is a product called Rapid Response. http://www.rapidresponseamerdon.com/rapidresponseequine.html<br />It will reduce inflammation, improve circulation to his feet and control discomfort without the side effects of bute. I would recommend formula F. Not only will it help his feet but it will help all his joints and his overall well being.<br />wingedwolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07003909824626362902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-44535169294127863932016-04-13T04:56:38.081-10:002016-04-13T04:56:38.081-10:00I am located in Vermont. We have been using a fab...I am located in Vermont. We have been using a fabulous farrier - which has just taken off the bar shoes (he has had these on for about a year) and has been doing wonders with the trimming. My horse is in training so he is worked 4 to 5 times a week - I am very new to riding... so my rides are definitely a lot easier on him... so that is why he is in continuous training. I ride pleasure and show hunt seat minimally. All ground work - no jumping. I also give him Adequan once per month. I just want to make sure that I am doing the right thing in order to minimize him being off work and unhealthy with the least amount of chemicals. I chose to do the soy lecithin because it was natural and I knew what he was getting - plus the extra omegas are great. I am also giving him a vitamin and mineral supplement along with corn oil (thinking about doing DAC oil). Again, trying to do what is best for him... on a small budget.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-42054443243013151892016-04-12T21:12:48.393-10:002016-04-12T21:12:48.393-10:00Ah ok. Yes the only grass / hay cubes I have seen ...Ah ok. Yes the only grass / hay cubes I have seen over here are made by rye, clover, lucerne, and or oaten. So no good!! No wonder there are so many fat horses in Australia!! I think my best options are oaten chaff or beet. Neither of which are ideal. :(Emily (Australia)https://www.blogger.com/profile/04052203919982128809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-11531597311198247292016-04-12T17:26:08.522-10:002016-04-12T17:26:08.522-10:00I see they have changed the ingredients of Zero. I...I see they have changed the ingredients of Zero. I have used it in the past and it did not have soy in it. Good to know. Perhaps you can find just a grass pellet to mix her supplements withwingedwolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07003909824626362902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-50167076748214013972016-04-12T16:20:43.694-10:002016-04-12T16:20:43.694-10:00I would strongly recommend you get yourself on to ...I would strongly recommend you get yourself on to ABC Hoof Care group on Facebook. Often 'navicular' is causes by pain from excess bar material buried deep within the hoof, particularly at the heel. In cases where the bone is not damaged this can be cured through corrective trimming.Emily (Australia)https://www.blogger.com/profile/04052203919982128809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-77346529132496539592016-04-12T16:19:04.046-10:002016-04-12T16:19:04.046-10:00Thanks so much for your quick reply and the sugges...Thanks so much for your quick reply and the suggestions. I wrote this long message and then thought I'd lost it hence messaging again! Sorry about that! I have seen Zero but because it contains Soy I have avoided it in the event the phytoestrogens contribute to her hormonal imbalance?Emily (Australia)https://www.blogger.com/profile/04052203919982128809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-44607369804348842452016-04-12T12:54:38.912-10:002016-04-12T12:54:38.912-10:00Where are you located? Does he have bar shoes on?...Where are you located? Does he have bar shoes on? How often is he ridden and what type of riding are you doing with him?wingedwolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07003909824626362902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-85199913229796185282016-04-12T12:51:16.987-10:002016-04-12T12:51:16.987-10:00You can give her aloe, slippery elm, cabbage powde...You can give her aloe, slippery elm, cabbage powder, fenugreek and pumpkin seeds. She probably needs a probiotic also which is in the Hygain Zero. Also get her chopped peppermint leaves and add to her feed, this will help her digestion and bloating. Ginger works well for this also but some horses don't like it. wingedwolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07003909824626362902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-80195271559406155942016-04-12T12:46:27.613-10:002016-04-12T12:46:27.613-10:00Aloe is okay to use, I don't list it because i...Aloe is okay to use, I don't list it because in some horses it can cause loose or soft stools. It can help to heal ulcers. From what you describe she may or may not have ulcers. There is no harm in giving her aloe if that is available to you. Because of her weight issues, lecithin would not be a good choice. <br /><br />Since you are in Australia there is a good feed altermative called Hygain Zero. http://www.hygain.com.au/feeds/zero/<br /><br />You can use this to mix your supplements with and it is made to be low starch and has a low glycemic index which is what she needs. <br /><br />You can give her pumpkin seeds, cabbage powder and fenugreek. These will all help along with the aloe to heal the gut. wingedwolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07003909824626362902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-22912801312223425022016-04-11T14:32:27.052-10:002016-04-11T14:32:27.052-10:00He has navicular and this helps him stay sound. H...He has navicular and this helps him stay sound. He was just reduced to 1 bute per day (1/2 tab morning and night). I am going to try only 1/2 at night however the more he is worked the more he seems to need. This was the recommendation from the vet. I am very green to the horse world - been riding for only 4 years and purchased my first horse 3 years ago. Do you have any suggestions? Obviously neither is good long term....<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-5658877533979525832016-04-11T12:05:29.839-10:002016-04-11T12:05:29.839-10:00What ulcer treatment would you suggest for a horse...What ulcer treatment would you suggest for a horse prone to obesity and bordering on insulin resistant? Lecithin being pure fat I don't think would be good for her as she needs to lose weight not put it on!<br />I notice you don't have aloe vera on your list of treatments? Not any good?<br />She has a bloated very sore gut, extremely girths, discomfort in her hindend, and weak hooves. Very kind but anxiois nervous personality. <br />10 year old, 15.2hh, TB x QH/Draught.Emily (Australia)https://www.blogger.com/profile/04052203919982128809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5012802768259360621.post-89225620972672640182016-04-11T12:00:13.319-10:002016-04-11T12:00:13.319-10:00Can horses who are extremely good doers (prone to ...Can horses who are extremely good doers (prone to obesity and bordering on insulin resistance) have ulcers? My mare was heavily worm overloaded when I got her although never looked it. After she foundered it was by chance I discovered running a standard fecal she was at 1500 strongyles eggs per gram. It has taken me 2 years to get rid of them and I had to resort to chemicals to do it as nothing natural worked. She is very girths and sensitive to touch over her gut, particularly under her belly. Very sensitive mare, extremely submissive and permanently a little worried. She was ridden from a very young age and has also had bad feet since then (18 months old). Age 10 years I have had her now almost 3 years and her feet have improved but still weak. She has strange lumpiness over the top of her rib cage that even the vet doesn't know what it is. It is either abnormal fat or oedema I suspect. Her coat is ok but always was even when she was worm overloaded. She is out at pasture 24/7 with a friend who is the boss of her but they totally love each other and graze nose to nose. They are supplemented with hay at the moment as there is limited grass. And I have taken her off all feed because I only want to feed an all in one vitamin and mineral mix but can't find a carrier! You say oaten chaff is no good, neither is beet pulp or soy products so what should I use to mix her vitamins in? Can't be high in fat or sugar given her metabolic problems.<br />Also what from your list would be best to try for her in the event she does have ulcers? I see you don't include aloe vera on your list? I have heard of Lecithin but as that is pure fat not a good idea to be feeding her a cup of fat a day. She does NOT need to put on any more weight!<br />Thank you in advance for your reply..<br />She is TB x QH/Draught. 15.2hh.Emily (Australia)https://www.blogger.com/profile/04052203919982128809noreply@blogger.com